Kim Kardashian reveals her daughter North West, eight, ‘intimidates’ her more than anyone else… as she jokes that North is Kanye West’s ‘twin’
She took her daughter North West to task earlier this week for live-streaming at home without her permission.
And Kim Kardashian revealed Thursday on former New York Times op-ed writer Bari Weiss’ podcast Honestly that it was her oldest child who ‘intimidates’ her even more than high-profile politicians she’s come into contact with.
Elsewhere in the interview, the 41-year-old reality star said that North was practically her estranged husband Kanye West’s ‘twin.’
Surprising answer: Kim Kardashian, 41, revealed that her daughter North West, eight, ‘intimidates’ her more than anyone else while chatting with former New York Times op-ed writer Bari Weiss Thursday on her podcast Honestly
Weiss quizzed Kim about who intimidates her during a lightning round of questions to wrap up the nearly hour-long episode.
‘Who intimidates me? I was going to say politicians, but they don’t,’ Kim replied. ‘Maybe just my daughter, North.’
She didn’t expand further on why North intimidated her, but earlier in their chat she talked about recently scolding her daughter for going live on TikTok without her permission.
During the live-stream, North gave her fans a tour of her family’s massive home, before visiting Kim’s bedroom, where she was relaxing in bed.
‘Stop, you know you’re not allowed to,’ Kim said sternly after North announced that she was live as she entered the bedroom.
Like father, like daughter: Kim referenced scolding North this week for live-streaming without her permission and said she gets some of her boundary-pushing ways from her father Kanye West. She said North was his ‘twin’; Kanye and North seen in London in October 2020
According to Kim, North seemed to have gotten the message about oversharing.
‘In my household, there are rules,’ she explained. ‘She did feel really bad about that, and she apologized to me. She said, “I saw on TikTok that I got in trouble and I’m really sorry.” And she got it.’
Weiss noted the irony of Kim telling North to follow the rules despite having broken plenty of them herself.
‘I guess you’re right. Like, I do break the rules,’ Kim responded. ‘I didn’t really think about it that way. I’m cautious. I care so much about what other people think that I try to do it in a respectful way, even if I break them.’
Kim indicated that North liked to push boundaries because of how similar she was to her famous father.
‘North West is Kanye West’s daughter,’ she said, before jokingly adding, ‘Forget that, she’s his twin.’
Among the other revelations on the podcast was that Kim is a fan of Taylor Swift, despite the feud she and her estranged husband had with the Shake It Off singer.
War is over? Kim put her five-year feud with Taylor Swift (seen together in August 2015) behind her as she paid her music a compliment during the conversation with Weiss
During the lightning round of questions, Kim was asked what her favorite song by the 32-year-old musical artist — whom she has been feuding with for five years — was and gave a surprisingly diplomatic answer.
Kardashian said: ‘I really like a lot of her songs. They’re all super cute and catchy. I’d have to look in my phone to get a name.’
Kim revisited the long-running feud as recently as March 2020 as she accused Swift of lying.
Kim posted a series of messages at the time, claiming Swift is not being fully truthful about the 2016 phone call with her and Kanye West about the song Famous and the ongoing dispute as to whether Swift was aware of West’s lyrics, in which he called her a ‘b****.’
Kardashian, in a series of messages on Instagram Stories, also slammed Swift for her timing in rehashing the feud as the country remains locked down amid the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic.
Kardashian (seen last month) said: ‘I really like a lot of her songs. They’re all super cute and catchy. I’d have to look in my phone to get a name’
Rekindling the flame: Kim revisited the long-running feud as recently as March 2020 as she accused Swift of lying
Response: Kim clarified her take on the issue, and how she felt actions she and West took were ethical
The Keeping Up With The Kardashians wrote, ‘@taylorswift has chosen to reignite an old exchange – that at this point in time feels very self-serving given the suffering millions of real victims are facing right now.’
Taylor’s long time publicist quickly responded with a social media post of her own.
Tree Paine tweeted: ‘I’m Taylor’s publicist and this is my UNEDITED original statement. Btw, when you take parts out, that’s editing.
‘P.S. who did you guys p*** off to leak that video?’ followed by several laughing/crying emojis.
Shade: Taylor’s long time publicist Tree Paine quickly responded with a social media post of her own, claiming Kim was still lying about what happened
Finished: Kim apologized to her fans for talking about the feud amid the global pandemic
Kim spoke out at the time after Swift posted to her Instagram Story and revealed she feels vindicated just days after the alleged full audio of her phone conversation.
The released of the unedited conversation is ‘proving that I was telling the truth the whole time about *that call* (you know, the one that was illegally recorded that somebody edited, and manipulated in order to frame me and put me, my family, and fans through hell for 4 years)…’ Taylor wrote.
In her Instagram Story post, Swift basically asked people to now move on from the headline-grabbing infamous feud between her and Kim and Kanye that stems from the rapper’s lyrics in his track Famous.
She started her post by saying: ‘Instead of answering those who are asking how I feel about the video footage that leaked…’ before adding in parentheses how she does feel.
‘Framed’: Just days after the alleged full audio of her phone conversation with West leaked in March 2020, Taylor posted her message in response
Flower power: Swift is seen at the Grammy Awards in March
The leaked footage began circulating on the Internet days prior and Swifties immediately pounced on it for proving that Kanye never specifically told Taylor he was planning to call her a b**** in his lyrics.
Reality star Kim had previously called Taylor a ‘snake’ when the Lover hitmaker claimed she had ‘no idea’ Kanye would call her a ‘b****’ in the song released in 2016.
Kim ‘liked’ a tweet a day after the leak that said: ‘The video showed nothing new. We all knew that. I’m so confused right now.’
In the newly leaked footage in March 2020, Kanye is seen informing Taylor he is writing a song about her and asking her if she could hype it up by tweeting about it.
Kanye tells her: ‘It has a very controversial line at the beginning of the song about you.’
Shade: At the time, Taylor called out Kim and Kanye for the ‘illegally recorded’ call ‘that somebody edited, and manipulated in order to frame me and put me, my family, and fans through hell for 4 years’
Kanye then told Taylor she ‘sounded sad’, and the singer questioned if the lyrics were ‘mean’, at which point he reassured her that he didn’t think they were.
He then says the lyric: ‘To all my Southside n***as that know me best / I feel like Taylor Swift might owe me sex.’
Taylor laughs and says: ‘That’s not mean.’
Kanye goes on: ‘If you felt that it’s funny and cool and hip hop, and felt like it’s the College Dropout and Ye that you love, people would be way into it, and that’s why I think it’s super genius to have you be the one that says, ‘Oh I like this song a lot… this is cool.’
Taylor then tells Kanye she needs some time to think about it, adding: ‘When you hear something for the first time you need to think about it, because it is absolutely crazy.’
Charity: The singer then directed her followers to the Feeding America website, suggesting they donate to the nonprofit helping people impacted by the coronavirus pandemic
Vindication: The leaked footage began circulating on the Internet days prior. And Swifties immediately pounced on it for proving that Kanye never specifically told Taylor he was planning to call her a b**** in the lyrics for his 2016 track Famous
There is no mention Kanye would call her a ‘b***h’ or suggest he ‘made her famous’ during the phone call.
The feud between the pair was sparked when Kanye invaded the stage during the 2009 MTV Video Music Awards when Taylor was honored for Video of the Year.
Following the release of Famous, Swift took a hiatus from the music scene.
She has previously spoken about the extreme ‘isolation’ she felt and the attacks she endured in the weeks after Kardashian likened her to a ‘snake’.
‘A mass public shaming, with millions of people saying you are quote-unquote cancelled, is a very isolating experience,’ said Swift.
Iconic moment: The feud between the pair was sparked when Kanye invaded the stage during the 2009 MTV Video Music Awards when Taylor was honored for Video of the Year
Squashing the beef temporarily: Kanye and Taylor are seen in LA back in August 2015
FULL TRANSCRIPT: Taylor Swift and Kayne West’s 2016 phone call
West: [To someone outside room.] Lock that door and then stand on the other side of it until I knock for you … No, lock the doors up.
West: [Resuming a conversation in progress with Swift, her end initially unintelligible.] …old school s***, yeah. I’m doing great. I feel so awesome about the music. The album’s coming out February 11, I’m doing the fashion show February 11 at Madison Square Garden, we’re dropping the album February 12th that morning. It’s like…
Swift: [Inaudible.]
West: Oh, thank you so, so much. Yeah. It feels good. It feels like real Ye, Apple, Steve Jobs-type music. So my next single, I wanted you to tweet it. It’s a good Friday to drop it. It’s a good Friday song. So that’s why I’m calling you, that I wanted you to put the song out.
Swift: Oh, wow. Like, um, what would people… I guess it would just be, people would be like, ‘Whyyyy is this happening?’ They would think I had something to do with it, probably.
West: Well, the reason why it will be happening is because it has a very controversial line at the beginning of the song about you.
Swift: [Apprehensively.] What does it say?
West: So it says… and the song is so, so dope. And I’ve literally sat with my wife, with my whole management team, with everything and tried to rework this line. I’ve thought about this line for eight months. I’ve had this line and I’ve tried to rework it every which way. And the original way that I thought about it is the best way, but it’s the most controversial way. So it’s gonna go Eminem a little bit, so can you brace yourself for a second?
Swift: [Sounding resigned.] Yeah.
West: Okay. All right. Wait a second, you sound sad.
Swift: Well, is it gonna be mean?
West: No, I don’t think it’s mean.
Swift: Okay, then, let me hear it.
West: Okay. It says, um,… and the funny thing is, when I first played it and my wife heard it, she was like, ‘Huh? What? That’s too crazy,’ blah, blah, blah. And then like when Ninja from Die Atwoord heard it, he was like, ‘Oh my God, this is the craziest s—. This is why I love Kanye,’ blah, blah, blah, that kind of thing. And now it’s like my wife’s favorite f***ing line. I just wanted to give you some premise of that. Right?
Swift: Okay.
West: So it says ‘To all my Southside [N-word] that know me best, I feel like Taylor Swift might owe me sex.’
Swift: [Laughs, relieved.] That’s not mean.
West: Okay. Well, this is the thing where I’m calling you, because you’re got an army. You own a country of mother—ing 2 billion people, basically, that if you felt that it’s funny and cool and like hip-hop, and felt like just ‘The College Dropout’ and the artist like Ye that you love, then I think that people would be like way into it. And that’s why I think it’s super-genius to have you be the one that says, ‘Oh, I like this song a lot. Like, yeah, whatever, this is cool, whatever.’ It’s like, I got like s*** on my album where I’m like, ‘I bet me and Ray J would be friends, if we ain’t love the same bitch.’
Swift: Oh my God! I mean, I need to think about it, because you know, when you hear something for the first time, you just need to think about it. Because it is absolutely crazy. I’m glad it’s not mean, though. It doesn’t feel mean. But oh my God, the buildup you gave it, I thought it was going to be like, ‘That stupid, dumb bitch.’ But it’s not. So I don’t know. I mean, the launch thing, I think it would be kind of confusing to people. But I definitely like… I definitely think that when I’m asked about it, of course I’ll be like, ‘Yeah, I love that. I think it’s hilarious.’ But, um, I need to think about it.
West: You don’t have to do the launching and tweet. That was just an extra idea I had. But if you think that that’s cool, then it’s cool. If not… I mean, we are launching the s*** like on just good Fridays on SoundCloud, on the site, s*** like that.
Swift: You know, the thing about me is, anything that I do becomes like a feminist think-piece. And if I launch it, they’re going to be like, wow, like, they’ll just turn into something that… I think if I launch it, honestly, I think it’ll be less cool. Because I think if I launch it, it adds this level of criticism. Because having that many followers and having that many eyeballs on me right now, people are just looking for me to do something dumb or stupid or lame. And I don’t know. I kind of feel like people would try to make it negative if it came from me, do you know what I mean? I think I’m very self-aware about where I am, and I feel like right now I’m like this close to overexposure.
West: Oh. Well, this one, I think this is a really cool thing to have.
Swift: I know, I mean, it’s like a compliment, kind of. [Chuckles.]
West: I have this line where I said… And my wife really didn’t like this one, because we tried to make it nicer. So I say ‘For all my Southside [N-word] that know me best, I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex.’ And my wife was really not with that one. She was way more into the ‘She owes you sex.’ But then the ‘owe’ part was like the feminist group-type shit that I was like, ahhhhh.
Swift: That’s the part that I was kind of… I mean, they ‘re both really edgy, but that’s the only thing about that line is that it’s like, then the feminists are going to come out. But I mean, you don’t give a f***. So…
West: Yeah, basically. Well, what I give a f*** about is just you as a person, as a friend….
Swift: That’s sweet.
West: I want things that make you feel good. I don’t want to do rap that makes people feel bad. Like of course, like I’m mad at Nike, so people think, ‘Oh, he’s a bully. He ran on stage with Taylor. He’s bullying Nike now,’ this $50 billion company.
Swift: Why are people saying you’re bullying Nike?
West: Because on ‘Facts,’ like, I say, ‘Yeezy, Yeezy, Yeezy, they line up for days / Nike out here bad, they can’t give s— away.’
Swift: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that’s just what you do, though. I mean, I wouldn’t say that it’s possible to bully a company like Nike. But I mean… um, yeah, I mean, go with whatever line you think is better. It’s obviously very tongue-in-cheek either way. And I really appreciate you telling me about it. That’s really nice.
West: Oh, yeah. I just had a responsibility to you as a friend. I mean, thanks for being like so cool about it.
Swift: Thanks. Yeah, I really appreciate it. The heads-up is so nice. You’d be surprised how many people just do things without even asking or seeing if I’d be okay with it, and I just really appreciate it. I never would have expected you to tell me about a line in one of your songs. That’s really nice that you did.
West: You mean like unexpected s— like you taking the time to give someone a really, really valuable award and then they completely run for president right afterwards? Like unexpected in that kind of way? [Laughs.] [Swift presented West with his lifetime achievement award at the 2015 Awards. He followed with a rambling speech where he admitted he had smoked pot beforehand, also revealing his aspiration to run for president.]
Swift: [Laughs.] We have not talked about what happened.
West: I just thought that was wavy. It was vibey. The funny thing is I thought about the weed and the president, both of those things I thought about in the shower the day before and just started laughing like crazy. I was like, I gotta say that I had just smoked some weed and then say I’m gonna run for president… So those are my bases of… I knew I wanted to say the thing about going to like the Dodgers game with my daughter and like getting booed and that being scary, and I knew I wanted to say like me changing and thinking about people more since I had a daughter. And then I wanted to say the weed thing. And then I wanted to say the president thing. And everything else was just like off the cuff.
Swift: Oh my God. It was definitely like it stole the show… And then the flowers that you sent me. I Instagrammed a picture of them and it’s the most Instagram likes I’ve ever gotten. It was like 2.7 million likes on that picture of the flowers you sent me. Crazy.
West: It’s some connection or something that I think is really important about that moment when we met on stage. There’s something that I think is really important about that, and where humanity is going, or now where me and Kim are, and having a family and just everything, the way things are landing. So it’s always… relationships are more important than punchlines, you know.
Swift: Yeah, I mean, I don’t think anybody would listen to that and be like, ‘Oh, that’s a real diss’ — like, ‘She must be crying about that line.’ And I think because of how crazy and strange and fateful the way we met was, I think we have to pick our moments to do stuff together and make sure it’s only really cool stuff.
West: Yeah, exactly. We can’t have it like be somebody else’s idea that gets in front and they’re like… Because if you’re like a really true, creative, visceral, vibey type person, it’s probably hard for you to work at a corporation. So how can you give a creative creative ideas and you’re working in a house of non-creativity? It’s like this weird… So whenever we talk directly… Okay, now what if later in the song I was also to have said, uh… ‘I made her famous’? Is that a…
Swift: [Apprehensively.] Did you say that?
West: Yes, it might’ve happened. [Laughs.]
Swift: Well, what am I going to do about it?
West: Uh, like, do the hair flip?
Swift: Yeah. I mean… Um… It’s just kind of like, whatever, at this point. But I mean, you’ve got to tell the story the way that it happened to you and the way that you’ve experienced it. Like, you honestly didn’t know who I was before that. Like, it doesn’t matter if I sold 7 million of that album [Fearless] before you did that, which is what happened. You didn’t know who I was before that. It’s fine. But, um, yeah. I can’t wait to hear it.
West: I mean, it’s fun. It’s definitely… You’re ready to trend. That’s all I can say.
Swift: Uh, what’s the song called?
West: Uh, it might be called ‘Hood Famous.’
Swift: Oh, cool. Is it going to be like a single-single, or is it going to be a SoundCloud release? What are you doing?
West: Oh, this one right here is like f***ing Song of the Year-type territory.
Swift: Oh my God. Amazing. That’s crazy. Oh my God. Speaking of Song of the Year, are you going to the Grammys?
West: Uh, you know what? I was thinking to not do it. But I think that this song… You know what? I’m going to send you the song and send you the exact wording and everything about it, right? And then we could sit and talk through it. But if the song goes and f***ing just… [Brief break in video.]
Swift: [Resumes.] … they just look at us and go… [Unintelligible] …Even if we’ve made an incredible achievement, it’s harder for people to write down our names for some reason. That’s just human nature. It’s envy. It’s asking people in our industry to vote for the people who are already killing it.
West: Yeah. It’s like so many people wanted Meek Mills (sic) to win because Drake was just killing it for so long, and they were just like, ‘We just need like Meek Mills (sic) to like…’ But I think, you know, okay, so that has my mind going through a lot of places to problem-solve. I was talking to Ben Horowitz — do you know this guy? He’s a VC. Ben Horowitz out of San Fran. But he’s down with that.
Swift: I know that name. I don’t know him.
West: It’s just like the San Fran clique, you know, that type of thing, like he stays down the street from Mark Zuckerberg and s*** like that. So I was talking to him and I was like, ‘Bro’… Like me, I’m in personal debt. I’m in debt by a good like 20, 30 million, ever since the fashion, and still have not made it out of it. So that’s part of the reason why I had to go to Roc Nation and the touring deals evolved, and it allowed the whole town to try to feel like they could control Kanye or even talk to me like I’m regular or have agents do it, but they saw they couldn’t. It’s like even in debt, he moves around like he’s like a billionaire.
I’m like, yeah, I’m a cultural trillionaire! I might have financial debts. So I told Ben Horowitz, I was like, ‘You guys, you, Mark Zuckerberg or whoever, Tim Cook, you guys have to clean that up.’ So I’m sending Ben Horowitz my current balance. That means that l’m not up 50, not up 100 million, not up 200 million, not up 300 million. No —negative 20 million, currently. I, Kanye West, the guy who created the genre of music that is the Weeknd, that is Drake — the guy who created… Every single person that makes music right now, favorite album is ‘The College Dropout.’ Every single person that makes music. But I’m rich enough…
Like, I went into debt to my wife by 6 million working on a f***ing house, less than like a few months ago, and I was able to pay her back before Christmas and s— like that. So, you know, when I talk about Nike, the idea that they wouldn’t give me a percentage, that I could make something that was so tangible, when Drake was just rapping me into the motherf***ing trashcan, that I could have something that was tangible that showed my creativity and expressed myself, that also could be a business that I could have a five-times multiple on and actually be able to sell it for like a hundred million, 200 million or a billion dollars, that was very serious.
Every conversation, every time I’d scream at Charlemagne (Tha God) or scream at (radio host) Sway, that was really, really, really serious. And it also was with my family. I felt like, look, if I’m just the angry black guy with some cool red shoes from Nike five years ago, I was going to be visiting my daughter, as opposed to be living with her. It would’ve been like, enough is enough. It wouldn’t have been cool anymore, because it would have been a group of people, including my wife, that all had at least like 500, 400 million in their account.
And then you get the angry black man at the party talking about ‘I’m the one that put Kim in the dress! I’m the one that did this!’ But it never realized itself. So that’s one of the things I just talked to Ben… And I talk about it on the album. Talk about personal debt and s***. Just the idea like, ‘Oh s—, this dude with this f***ing Maybach that makes f***ing $50 million a tour still hasn’t lined it up or came out of the point when AEG and Live Nation wouldn’t give him a deal.’ The debt started after ‘Watch the Throne,’ because I got no deal. But I still was doing my creative projects on my own, shooting a film, doing a fashion show, just trying to be very Disney, be very visceral, be creative. And…
Swift: I mean, I’m sure you’ve thought about this up and down, but I mean, is there a way to monetize these in a way that you thought would still feel authentic but make them into a multibillion dollar company?
West: Well, that’s what we’re going to do. That’s what we’re in the plans of. I’m 100% going to be like a multi, multi, multi-billionaire. I think it’s fun that I can like be like Charlie Sheen and be like, ‘Hey, like, I got AIDS.’ You know, like…. To me, I told Drake that the other night. I was like, ‘Yo, Drake, I’m in personal debt.’ And for me to tell Drake, the f***ing number one bachelor in the world that can f***ing rap anybody into a trashcan, that lives four blocks down the street from my wife and like basically f—s all of her friends, that I’m in personal debt, it’s such a like putting down the sword or putting down the hand or opening, showing the hand. That I don’t have my poker face on with any of you guys.
I’m just me. I’m just a creative. You know, everything I did, even when it was mistimed, whatever it might’ve been from a… It’s always like from a good place, and I know that I’ll overcome it and I know that the world will overcome it. Because, like, I’m going to change the world. I’m going to make it… I’m gonna make people’s lives better on some post-Steve Jobs, Howard Hughes-type shit. Like, I’m going to do things with education. I’m going to do things that help to calm down murders in Chicago or across the globe. Things that help to calm down police brutality, to equalize the wealth amidst the class system.
Because there’s a bunch of classes of wealthy people that hate Obama because he’s more social and he wants the people who don’t have anything to have everything. And in my little way, by learning how to design, design is something that’s only given to the rich currently. The exact color palette that Hermes uses versus the color palette that Forever 21 uses — a color palette is extremely important. Color is important. You know, the knowledge of proportions… you know, the size of our house versus the size of someone else’s houses, and just the dynamics of that proportion. Like, I don’t want this conversation to go too, too long, but I wanted to give you a bit of where I’m at and the perspective that I’m at and the way… the fact that I am the microprocessor of our culture.
Meaning like, I can figure out how to give Rihanna a Mary J. Blige-type album. I can figure out how to get the fashion world to accept my wife, and thus the whole family. I can figure out a lot of impossible… I can figure out how to make something that you’re wearing to the airport, five years after the entire globe was like, ‘Hang that [N-word] alive and f*** him, and let’s watch him die, slowly, publicly.’ So, it’s a lot. I figured that out for myself, so it’s a lot of s— that we collectively, with the power that you have and your fans, the power my wife has, the power that I have, that we can do to really make it where it’s not just the rich getting richer, but… You know, make it not just a f***ing charity, not singing for Africa, but change things in a way that people can experience s— themselves, a piece of the good life. You know?
Swift: Yeah. I mean, they’re amazing ideas and amazing concepts, and I definitely would love to talk to you more about it. I know you have to do something right now, but I love that that’s where you’re headed. And it’s been like that. I mean, when we went to dinner, there were the rumblings of those ideas. I like that you’re always thinking outward. And over the last six, seven, eight years, however long it’s been since that happened, I haven’t always liked you, but I’ve always respected you. And I think that’s what you’re saying when you say like, you know, ‘I might be in debt, but I can make these things happen, and I have the ideas to do it, and I can create these things or these concepts.’ Like, I’m always going to respect you. And I’m really glad that you had the respect to call me and tell me that as a friend about the song, and it’s a really cool thing to do, and a really good show of friendship. So thank you.
West: Oh, thank you too.
Swift: And you know, if people ask me about it, look, I think it would be great for me to be like, ‘Look, he called me and told me the line before it came out. Like, the joke’s on you guys – we’re fine.’
West: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think that’s pretty much the switch right there.
Swift: Yeah. Like, you guys want to call this a feud, you want to call this throwing shade, but you know, right after the song comes out, I’m gonna be on a Grammy red carpet, and they’re gonna ask me about it and I’ll be like, ‘He called me and sent me the song before it came out.’ So I think we’re good.
West: Okay. I’m gonna go lay this verse, and I’m gonna send it to you right now.
Swift: [Taken aback.] Oh, you just… you haven’t recorded it yet?
West: I recorded it. I’m nuancing the lines — like the last version of it says, ‘Me and Taylor might still have sex.’ And then my wife was like, ‘That doesn’t sound as hard!’
Swift: Well, I mean, she’s saying that honestly because she’s your wife, and like, um… So I think whatever one you think is actually better. I mean, obviously do what’s best for your relationship, too. I think ‘owes me sex,’ it says different things. It says… ‘Owes me sex’ means like ‘Look, I made her what she is. She actually owes me.’ Which is going to split people, because people who like me are going to be like, ‘She doesn’t owe him s—.’ But then people who like thought it was bad-ass and crazy and awesome that you’re so outspoken are going to be like, ‘Yeah, she does. It made her famous.’ So it’s more provocative to say ‘still have sex,’ because no one would see that coming. They’re both crazy. Do what you want. They’re both going to get every single headline in the world. ‘Owes me sex’ is a little bit more like throwing shade, and the other one’s more flirtatious. It just depends on what you want to accomplish with it.
West: Yeah, I feel like with my wife, that she probably didn’t like the ‘might still have sex’ because it would be like, what if she was on a TV show and said ‘Me and Tom Brady might still have sex’ or something?
Swift: You have to protect your relationship. Do what’s best. You just had a kid. You’re in the best place of your life. I wouldn’t ever advise you to f*** with that. Just pick whatever… It’s cause and effect. One is gonna make people feel a certain way, and it’s gonna be a slightly different emotion for the other. But it’s not… It doesn’t matter to me. There’s not one that hurts my feelings and the other doesn’t.
West: Yeah. It’s just, when I’m pointing this gun, what I tried to do differently than two years ago, is like when I shoot a gun, I try to point it away from my face. So one is a little bit more flirtatious and easier… I think, so really, that means the conversation is really, one is like a little bit better for the public and a little bit less good for the relationship. One is a little bit worse for the public and better for the relationship.
Swift: Yeah. I can hear it. But it’s your goals, really. I mean, you always just go with your gut — obviously. But, um, amazing. Send it to me. I’m excited.
West: All right, cool. Thanks so much.
Swift: Awesome. I’ll talk to you later.
West: All right, cool. Peace. Bye.
West: [To cameraman.] We had to get that on the record.
Cameraman: [About interruption.] I’m sorry. The battery on this thing died.
West: It’s just when it dies… You get some s*** like Kanye talking to Taylor Swift explaining that line? There’s gotta be three cameras on that one. We can’t miss one element.
Taylor Swift and Kanye West: A look back at their 10 years of Bad Blood
Taylor Swift has hinted that she will never make amends with Kanye West as she branded him ‘two-faced’ and claimed that she used to seek approval from him when he disrespected her.
Now MailOnline has taken a look back at the decade-long feud that appears to show no signs of being resolved anytime soon.
Although the pair’s feud came to a head in 2016 with an all-out Twitter war that saw Taylor and Kanye fans divided, the pair’s falling out is far more complicated than it once appeared to be.
You Need To Calm Down: Taylor Swift has hinted that she will never make amends with Kanye West as she branded him ‘two-faced’ amid their decade-long feud
SEPTEMBER 2009
The feud begins, seemingly out of the blue, when 19-year-old Taylor was at the MTV Video Music Awards, accepting the Best Female Video award for You Belong with Me.
Suddenly, in the middle of her acceptance speech, Kanye jumped on the stage, grabbed the microphone out of her hands and bellowed: ‘Yo, Taylor, I’m really happy for you and I’mma let you finish, but Beyoncé had one of the best videos of all time. One of the best videos of all time!’
In a bid to diffuse the tension, Beyonce later called Taylor up on stage when she won Video of the Year for Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It), and allowed the country music star a moment in the spotlight.
SEPTEMBER 2010
A year after the infamous incident, Kanye apologises in a lengthy tweet, as he penned ‘I’m sorry, Taylor/ We’re both artists, and the media and managers are trying to get between us.
‘She deserves the apology more than anyone. Thank you [Twitter co-founders] Biz Stone and Evan Williams for creating a platform where we can communicate directly.
Bad Blood: The feud begins when Taylor, 19, was at the 2009 VMAs accepting the Best Female Video award and Kanye interrupts claiming Beyonce deserved the gong
NOVEMBER 2010
Kanye backtracks on his apology, claiming that interrupting Taylor was ‘selfless’ as she didn’t deserve to win, and adding that she was exploiting the incident for publicity
MAY 2011
The pair appear to be on better terms, as they’re spotted giving each other a high five at the Met Gala.
JUNE 2013
Kanye reignites their feud by claiming ‘I don’t have one regret,’ over crashing Taylor’s VMA’s win, telling The New York Times that he didn’t want to apologise, but only tweeted as a result of ‘peer pressure’.
Everything Has Changed: A year after the infamous incident, Kanye apologises in a lengthy tweet claiming ‘I take the responsibility’
FEBRUARY 2015
Two years on, it appears all bad blood is lost, as Kanye reveals he wants to collaborate with the songstress, telling Ryan Seacrest ‘She wants to get in the studio and we’re definitely going to go in.
‘I don’t have an elitism about music, I don’t discriminate.’
AUGUST 2015
Their reconciliation is short-lived, as Kanye humiliates Taylor at the 2015 VMAs after she presented him with the Video Vanguard Award.
It appeared the pair were getting on, and Kanye seemed to be joking by announcing ‘You know how many times they announced Taylor was going to give me the award ’cause it got them more ratings?’
However, Taylor has since announced that his statement truly irked her, as he made out in public that it was for ratings, but in private, asked her to be on stage with him as it would ‘mean so much’.
Taylor told Rolling Stone in 2019: ‘I’m standing in the audience with my arm around his wife, and this chill ran through my body. I realized he is so two-faced.
‘That he wants to be nice to me behind the scenes, but then he wants to look cool, get up in front of everyone and talk s**t. And I was so upset.’
All Falls Down: Their reconciliation is short-lived, as Kanye humiliates Taylor at the 2015 VMAs after she presented him with the Video Vanguard Award
SEPTEMBER 2015
Taylor accepts Kanye’s apology after he sends her a giant arrangement of flowers, with the singer jokingly offering to be his running mate in the next Presendential election.
Sharing a snap of the bouquet, she penned: ‘Awww Kanye sent me the coolest flowers!! #KanTay2020 #BFF’.
FEBRUARY 2016
Taylor and Kanye’s feud reaches its most explosive point to date as Kanye references the star in the lyrics of his hit, Famous.
Taylor took offense at the rapper’s lyric: ‘For all my South Side n****s that know me best / I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex / Why? I made that b***h famous’.
Kanye defended the line, claiming he had a conversation with Taylor about the lyrics in question.
JUNE 2016
Kanye releases the music video for Famous, which depicts a naked Taylor lying in his bed next to him, with nude Kim on the other side.
Other nude celebrities who make an appearance in the fictional bedroom setting are Rihanna, Chris Brown, Donald Trump, Caitlyn Jenner, George W Bush, Anna Wintour, Ruby Rose, Ray J and Bill Cosby.
Shake It Off: Taylor accepts Kanye’s apology after he sends her a giant arrangement of flowers, with the singer jokingly offering to be his running mate in the next election
JULY 2016
Taylor continues to accuse Kanye of lying about asking her permission to reference her in his lyrics, so Kim released a partial recording of the conversation in question.
‘I’m really glad you had the respect to call me that and tell me that as a friend, about the song. It’s just a really cool thing to do, and a really good show of friendship’ Taylor is heard saying.
Taylor hits back, claiming that although Kanye spoke through some aspects of the lyrics, she did not consent to being referred to as a ‘b***h’ in the song,
After that Taylor said she felt publicly shamed and ‘cancelled,’ most of the 2017 album Reputation was aimed at her experience during the ordeal.
Can’t Tell Me Nothing: Kanye releases the music video for Famous, which depicts a naked Taylor lying in his bed next to him after she denied consenting to the lyrics
JULY 2017
Kim’s fans mark the year anniversary of ‘National Snake Day’, when the reality star released the recording of Taylor.
AUGUST 2017
Taylor deletes her social media content with the exception of sharing several snake videos on her Instagram.
She then releases the first single from her sixth album, Reputation, Look What You Made Me Do, a clear dig at Kanye and Kim.
Not-so subtle lyrics include ‘I don’t like your little games / Don’t like your tilted stage / The role you made me play / Of the fool / No, I don’t like you /I’m sorry. The old Taylor can’t come to the phone right now. Why? Oh, ’cause she’s dead!’
MARCH 2019
Taylor dubs Kim and Kanye ‘bullies’ who started an internet hate campaign against her.
She tells Elle magazine: ‘I’ve come to see that bullies want to be feared and taken seriously. A few years ago, someone started an online hate campaign by calling me a snake on the internet.
‘The fact that so many people jumped on board with it led me to feeling lower than I’ve ever felt in my life.’
Monster: A social media campaign of hate took off in 2016 when Kim and Taylor went head to head in a dispute over Kanye West’s song lyrics about the singer
AUGUST 2019
Taylor dregs up the feud again as she discusses the extreme ‘isolation’ she felt and attacks she endured in the weeks after Kim likened her to a snake.
She went on to state: ‘When you say someone is canceled, it’s not a TV show. It’s a human being. You’re sending mass amounts of messaging to this person to either shut up, disappear, or it could also be perceived as, kill yourself.’
SEPTEMBER 2019
Taylor brands the rapper ‘two-faced’ in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine and states she is no longer willing to pretend they are on good terms
She explains ‘Some events took place to cause me to be p***ed off when [Kanye] called me a b***h. That was not just a singular event.
‘Basically, I got really sick of the dynamic between he and I’.
Never Ever Ever making up: Taylor dregs up the feud again as she discusses the extreme ‘isolation’ she felt and attacks she endured after Kim likened her to a snake
‘I don’t think there are that many people who can actually understand what it’s like to have millions of people hate you very loudly.’
Also in the same interview with Bari West, Kim addressed the viral clip of her eight-year-old daughter North West receiving a telling off on Sunday after she gave a live tour of their house without permission.
The reality star was asked and gave an update on the situation and even acknowledged that she understands her eldest child’s drive to break the rules due to who her father is.
Interesting: Kim Kardashian sat down for an interview with former New York Times op-ed and political writer Bari Weiss for her Substack channel Common Sense released on Thursday as she revealed that North West has apologized for a now viral moment
Mischievous: The internet was buzzing when her eight-year-old daughter North received a telling off on Sunday after she gave a live tour of their house without permission
Kim was left in shock on Sunday when she discovered that North had accessed their shared TikTok account to give fans a tour of their plush Southern California home before showing Kim laying in bed.
Weiss said that she couldn’t help but see the irony in Kim telling of North as she is a rule breaker herself.
Kim responded: ‘I guess you’re right. Like, I do break the rules. I didn’t really think about it that way. I’m cautious. I care so much about what other people think that I try to do it in a respectful way, even if I break them.’
The reality star went on to explain that she knows that North has a penchant for breaking the rules not only due to her own trailblazing but also because of who her famous father is.
‘I guess you’re right. Like, I do break the rules’: Weiss said that she couldn’t help but see the irony in Kim telling of North as she is a rule breaker herself, as Kim and North are seen in March 2020
She explained: ‘I mean, North West is Kanye West’s daughter. Forget that, she’s his twin. So she will still definitely do all of the above.’
However just because both of her parents are groundbreakers doesn’t mean the eldest of four can do whatever she wants.
Kim – who shares four children with West – North, eight, Saint, five, Chicago, three, and Psalm, two – added: ‘But in my household, there are rules. She did feel really bad about that, and she apologized to me and she said “I saw on TikTok that I got in trouble and I’m really sorry.” And she got it.’
Squad goals: Kim shares four children with West – North, eight, Saint, five, Chicago, three, and Psalm, two
The pair launched a TikTok account just over two weeks ago and in that short time the reality star and the eldest of her four children, have garnered more than 3.1 million followers and counting.
North’s mischievous doings over the weekend featured a tour of the family’s posh Hidden Hills mansion that’s decked out in Christmas decorations.
Among the first places she roams into in the clip appears to be her own bedroom, which featured an all-pink theme in stark contrast to the minimalist theme of the rest of the home.
She shows off an ornament described as a ‘gingerbread thing’ before bounding out to see another room.
While narrating her walk, and chatting to other children at the house, including her brothers and sister, North announces ‘lets go downstairs we have rented this Sing thing,’ in a reference to decorations and arts and crafts all related to the new animated sequel film, Sing 2.
The duo: Kim Kardashian and her daughter North West, eight, launched their very own TikTok page just over two weeks ago
Making the rounds: North began her live feed by showing a few family pictures and photos
Peekaboo: North can be seen in the mirror as she shoots the live feed while in her pink bedroom
Bedroom view: With several kids trailing her, including her brother Chicago, six, North leads a group tour round the house
Christmas decorations: North mentions her ‘gingerbread thing’ in the video
Sing decor: North announces ‘lets go downstairs we have rented this Sing thing,’ in a reference to decorations and arts and crafts related to the new animated sequel film, Sing 2, that are setup on the bottom floor and in the backyard
As North makes her way down the stairs she asks her playmates to ‘say yes’ if they want her to show off the Sing 2 decors that has been set up in the bottom floor and backyard of their mansion.
They even do a countdown, ‘3, 2, and 1,’ before unveiling the beginnings of the Sing decor.
The kids then all take turns showcasing the various cutouts and blowup characters from the musical comedy film that premiered in Los Angles the very same day, but is slated to drop in theaters across the country on December 22.
‘So we still got some Sing things,’ she says, before one young boy runs up to the camera and declares, ‘North is live. North is live. North your live. No, not fair, TikTok live,’ he yells in a frantic pace and tone, all while smiling. He adds, ‘Not allowed to be live,’ in the remaining few seconds of the clip.
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Sing party: Once downstairs, the camera is fixated on the various Sing decor for a party that’s being held at the family house
Sweet: There’s even extravagant treats set up along the bottom floor including a giant cake
Adorable hostess: North proceeds outside and giggles much of the way while showing off the decorations
Following the house tour, North followed up with a quick 11 second clip where she confessed to be going live on TikTok to her mother.
‘Mom, I’m live,’ she tells her mom with mischievous laughs while walking with the camera in a bedroom, seemingly her mother’s.
The Skims founder can be heard responding to her daughter: ‘No stop, you know you’re not allowed too.’
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Family affair: North’s siblings are mulling about as she moves her tour back inside
Thrown under the bus: North is live. North is live. North your live. No, not fair, TikTok live,’ the boy yells in a frantic pace and tone, all while smiling
Busted: North followed up with a quick 11 second clip where she confesses to be going live on TikTok to her mother, who appears to be laying in bed
Sensing she may have crossed the line with her mother, North shoots back, ‘Okay bye,’ and signs off of the live feed, but not before Kim K is heard saying, ‘Is she really going live?’ to an unknown female voice that answers, ‘I don’t know.
When shared on the Kardashian News page, the clip was captioned: ‘North gets in trouble for going live.
‘North went live on Tiktok and Kim had no idea. And this was after she gave a full house tour. I hope Kim doesn’t mind this because I have never seen her more relatable than this! I feel like we are getting to see the Kardashians from a new lens and I think it will only impact them positively. As long as North doesn’t expose any family secrets.’
Kim touched on several other subjects during her interview with Weiss including railing against the ‘ridiculous’ cancel culture plaguing America and says she now regrets trying to force Kanye to take off his MAGA hat during a 2018 appearance on Saturday Night Live.
The pair discussed her recently passing the baby bar law exam, and how she has no regrets about working with former President Donald Trump to get people out of prison, despite how unpopular he may be among her fans.
In 2018, Kanye West appeared on Saturday Night Live (right) wearing a MAGA hat. Kim Kardashian (seen left last week) has revealed her regret at trying to get him to remove it, and says he and others should be free to believe in what they want
On Kanye’s hat, Kardashian said: ‘I was very nervous. I didn’t want him to wear the red hat. I’m not really a rule breaker, so my personality would be like, “OK, you guys don’t like the red hat? I’ll take it off.’”
‘I remember other people were around and it became a thing where he wasn’t going to go on because he wanted to be who he is. I’m very neutral, but that night I was very forceful with him, and argued with him like, “You have to take that hat off.”
‘And now looking back, I think, why should he take that off if that’s what he believes in? Why can’t he wear that on TV? Half of the country voted for him, so clearly other people like him,’ Kardashian said.
Kanye with Donald Trump in the Oval Office in 2018. Kim said in her interview: ‘Looking back, I think, why should he take that off if that’s what he believes in? Why can’t he wear that on TV? Half of the country voted for him, so clearly other people like him’
On cancel culture, she told Weiss: ‘If I worried about every last thing that someone said and I had to try to change it, then I would never be me. Anyone wouldn’t be them!
‘That’s why I think cancel culture is the most ridiculous thing, because I really do believe—and you and I have been at several dinners together where people are discussing their thoughts on it—in rehabilitation and freedom of speech.
‘I’ve never really been into cancel culture.’
Kardashian, 41, told Weiss it felt ‘so f*****g good’ to finally pass the law exam this week after failing three times.
‘When you’re not right out of college and your mind is not in a study mindset, it definitely takes a second to recalibrate. And then you’re like, “Oh my God, am I just so old that I’m not retaining this information now? What’s happening? Why aren’t I passing this?” But I did it. And it felt so f*****g good,’ she said.
She revealed that when she wanted to get Alice Johnson out of prison in 2018, her first call was to Ivanka Trump, who sympathized with her and told her to contact her husband Jared.
‘My first call was to Ivanka Trump. I said, “You’re a woman. I’m sure you can understand as a mother.” She was so empathetic and understood. And she said: “Why don’t you talk to my husband, Jared?” And I brought him the case, and it took him a few months.
‘He really researched it and got the president behind it, and he granted her clemency and eventually gave her a pardon.’
She has worked with Trump to get people out of prison, like Alice Johnson. She says in her interview that she ‘doesn’t care’ if people criticize her for it, and that she’d work with ‘anybody’
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